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99号 --- 2006-08-25 16:41:20

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为何中压力缆绝缘厚度加133%?一国外客户要求在8.7/15kV电缆的绝缘厚度上加厚到133%,不清楚原因是什么,好像说是用于地下。
大漠孤狼008 --- 2006-08-26 15:20:11

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我发表一点个人看法(仅供参考):

1 用户想提高电缆绝缘的安全裕度.

2 在地下敷设如果是垂直敷设(例如煤矿)有可能用增加厚度来增强其抗拉性能.

注:怎么不问一下用户呢,问到了发贴告诉我,我也学习一下.

zxg133 --- 2006-08-27 15:42:40

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具不完全了解,这是国外的一些特殊要求的线,我也是略知一二:

关于百分比的问题结实如下:国外要求的100%的绝缘厚度其实就是国内4.5的厚度,还有的要求是120%,133%等等的,这好象是线路规定的等级的大小不同所制。

99号 --- 2006-08-31 07:58:03

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有谁能找些资料来看看?他们这个133%的厚度增加是怎么个来由?
bakerchen --- 2006-10-01 09:49:10

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我看这主要是用户使用的系统有关系,由于各国的电压系统不同引起的.IEC60502中规定了A\B\C三类系统,其中C类要求最高,用户要求在8.7/10KV基础上加133%,刚好接近C类的12/20KV等级.这是我的看法不知当否?

ccjzw --- 2006-10-21 08:38:05

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xinpeng --- 2006-10-22 11:01:07

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也可能跟国外电力系统频率有关,我国的都是50HZ,而国外的就不一样,有60HZ的或更高的,所以对电缆的要求也会提高!
nanwangyu --- 2006-10-22 12:50:38

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xinpeng:
也可能跟国外电力系统频率有关,我国的都是50HZ,而国外的就不一样,有60HZ的或更高的,所以对电缆的要求也会提高!
同意楼上说法.但我建议最好看用户按什么标准要求的.看下该标准和GB要求的绝缘厚度是否相同再说吧.
youfri --- 2006-10-22 13:25:21

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频率不同,电缆厚度不会相差这么大。

lj720410 --- 2006-10-23 15:40:54

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这跟电压系统,类似IEC60502中规定了A\B\C三类系统,其中C类要求最高,绝缘厚度就厚。

给大家一个15KV系统的结构参数实例。

15kv 100% Insulation Levels1/C Aluminum, EPR Insulation,1/3 Neutral and Full Neutral, Encapsulating Polyethylene Jacket.


1/3 NEUTRAL <DIV align=right>15KV 100% INSULATION LEVEL </DIV>
ConductorsInsulation Thickness (MILS)Insulation OD Inches1/3 NeutralJacket Thickness (MILS)Approx. Cable OD InchesApprox. Net Wt. Lbs/M Ft.Ampacity?/b>

SIZE
(AWG or kcm)

Number
of Strands
No. of WiresAWGCondition A Condition B
271750.70614501.04402125155
1191750.74614501.08435140175
1/0191750.78614501.12475160200
2/0191750.83714501.17534185225
3/0191750.88914501.22615210260
4/0191750.931114501.28707235290
250371750.981314501.33784260320
350371751.081814501.461009310385
500371751.211612501.631305375460
750611751.391510801.931839455555
1000611751.54169802.152368525620

FULL NEUTRAL <DIV align=right>15KV 100% INSULATION LEVEL </DIV>
ConductorsInsulation Thickness (MILS)Insulation OD InchesFull Neutral Jacket Thickness (MILS)Approx. Cable OD InchesApprox. Net Wt. Lbs/M Ft.Ampacity?/b>

SIZE
(AWG or kcm)

Number
of Strands
No. of WiresAWGCondition A Condition B
271750.701014501.04450125155
1191750.741314501.08519140175
1/0191750.781614501.12594160200
2/0191750.831312501.21699185225
3/0191750.881612501.2681210260
4/0191750.931310501.36972235290
250371750.981610501.411115260320
350371751.08169501.571408310385

<DIV align=right></DIV>
<DIV align=right>15kv 133% Insulation Levels, 1/C Aluminum, EPR Insulation, 1/3 Neutral and Full Neutral, Encapsulating Plyethylene Jacket.</DIV>

1/3 NEUTRAL <DIV align=right>15KV 133% INSULATION LEVEL </DIV>
ConductorsInsulation Thickness (MILS)Insulation OD Inches1/3 NeutralJacket Thickness (MILS)Approx. Cable OD InchesApprox. Net Wt. Lbs/M Ft.Ampacity?/b>

SIZE
(AWG or kcm)

Number
of Strands
No. of WiresAWGCondition A Condition B
272200.79614501.14467125155
1192200.83614501.18503140175
1/0192200.87614501.22546160200
2/0192200.92714501.26608185225
3/0192200.97914501.32692210260
4/0192201.021114501.40811235290
250372201.071314501.45892260320
350372201.171814501.561104310385
500372201.301612801.791473375460
750612201.481510802.021960455555
1000612201.63169802.252502525620

FULL NEUTRAL <DIV align=right>15KV 133% INSULATION LEVEL </DIV>
ConductorsInsulation Thickness (MILS)Insulation OD InchesFull Neutral Jacket Thickness (MILS)Approx. Cable OD InchesApprox. Net Wt. Lbs/M Ft.Ampacity?/b>

SIZE
(AWG or kcm)

Number
of Strands
No. of WiresAWGCondition A Condition B
272200.791014501.14515125155
1192200.831314501.18587140175
1/0192200.871614501.22665160200
2/0192200.921312501.30773185225
3/0192200.971612501.35890210260
4/0192201.021310501.481076235290
250372201.071610501.531224260320
350372201.17169501.661503310385

--- 2006-10-25 15:05:05

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是不是和电场有关
hehw --- 2006-11-25 09:01:30

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据一个才老前辈曾经说过,可能是因交联电缆生产时交联度的不同要求而决定的吧——其中也况到过133%交联度的问题,具体就记不清了,仅供参考。
lll333 --- 2006-12-02 11:31:56

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没有标准不好说国外是对的,我公司曾经为国外生产中高压电缆,外方就给定较小的绝缘厚度,但试验电压却要求保证。结果是没有问题的,至今没有不良反映。
jzligy --- 2006-12-05 11:44:53

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同意楼上意见,不管是国内国外,标准是一样的,都按IEC标准,用户可能使用在重要的场合,安全性要求高。我们就遇到过这样的国内用户,不奇怪。
宝丰电缆 --- 2006-12-22 12:42:28

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目前我公司为国外用户提供的中压电缆多数标准为12/20KV,有的用户要求铜屏蔽层全部是铜丝!

幸福时刻 --- 2006-12-26 19:17:06

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跟电缆接地故障时间有关,按照IEC标准,应该是电缆接地的C类系统,A类为100%水平,B类为115%水平,C类为133%水平!

ghjwalsin --- 2007-01-01 14:36:38

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这是根据电力系统的接地方式对电缆绝缘耐压能力的要求决定的.

碧华 --- 2007-03-15 09:41:32

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我很赞成8楼的观点。在我国GB12706-2002标准中,明确指出了,U0与U均是指的设计值,如电压等级有8.7/10和6/10,它们实际运用当中均是用于相电压为6KV  的系统当中,指是电缆的接地情况不一样,6/10属于A.B类,而8.7/10由于长期接地运行,那么它的相电压要发生漂移,为原来的1.732倍,所以绝缘从3.4变到4.5,绝缘加厚了1.33倍,同样对于用于A.B类成的8.7/15KV电缆,如用于C类时,绝缘相应的就增加到4.5*1.33为6,而我国没有此类电缆(它的绝缘厚度又比12/20厚一些),因此它只指出加厚绝缘多少,而不能说现标准中的那一电压等级.
yongyxt --- 2007-03-22 09:10:41

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6KV和10KV电缆由于接地方式的不同都有两种绝缘厚度,而15KV这种系统因为用的不多,只有4.5mm一种,可能用户因为对电缆接地故障时间要求较长,才有这样的要求.
Calf --- 2007-03-24 05:11:27

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Go check the ICEA S-94-649-2004 standard (page 21). For 100% level, cable in this category may be applied where the system is provided with relay protection such that ground faults will be cleared as rapidly as possible, but in any case within 1 minutes. And for 133% level,  a little bit longer, but not exceeding 1 hour. Hope it's helpful.

中华 --- 2007-03-29 19:18:54

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要看是出口哪个国家,有的国家电压等级分级与我国不一样,外国客户买去应该不是用于8.7/15kV电压等级电网。
ludiyuanyi --- 2007-04-04 16:44:08

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为什么?我想只有客户最清楚其中的原因。应该是对方实地对电缆的要求与我国的有所不一样,电缆工作环境对电缆的要求高了,当然要求绝缘厚度也就厚了。楼上所说的几点原因或许兼而有之。
guying8 --- 2007-06-27 10:32:52

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前面说的不错.就是IEC的标准C类!呵呵,不知道那个图片一样的帖子你是怎么弄上去的?这样最好!大家一目了然!
xdifen --- 2007-07-07 13:57:03

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就我个人理解,可能是因使用电压高,才要求更高的绝缘厚度来加强火花击穿的可能性,同时也减少电磁效应。
stonezhao --- 2007-07-12 15:29:48

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我个人理解, 这是企业标准, 企业所在地的安全试验要求高

yvhkdv --- 2007-08-04 10:12:14

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上面的绝缘皮厚标准值得借鉴.

pdsdqgy --- 2007-08-14 15:53:41

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同样电压等级,如果用在电源进线上,可提高一绝缘等级,如:6KV电动机电缆和母线段电源电缆可分别选3.4和4.5mm,即:6/10和8.7/10。
wangfuzhi --- 2007-08-16 12:50:17

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安全裕度问题,美国标准就是要考核1.33倍电性能。

abel2006 --- 2007-08-19 16:50:53

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也可能跟国外电力系统频率有关,我国的都是50HZ,而国外的就不一样,有60HZ的或更高的,所以对电缆的要求也会提高!
陈果 --- 2007-08-28 17:46:28

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这个使用户要求得,在国内某些用户统一用8。7/15  代替6/6得电缆
a57984 --- 2007-11-27 08:37:29

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一般是美国标准WC74-2000上规定,也就是绝缘等级余度较大的意思
defhua --- 2008-01-02 20:09:06

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IEC60502等同于国标多少?
sevenllong --- 2008-01-05 10:43:50

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应该称之为绝缘水平吧!是根据计算耐压绝缘厚度在不同供电系统使用而选用的安全系数!
超导 --- 2008-01-06 15:41:58

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,UL标准,把绝缘等级分为100%,133%,和175%.等级不同,耐压级别不同,我这里有一标准,看后便知.
Betty123 --- 2008-01-16 16:34:05

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100 Percent Level - Cables in this category may be applied where the system is provided withrelay protection such that ground faults will be cleared as rapidly aspossible, but in any case within 1 minute. While these cables are applicable tothe great majority of cable installations that are on grounded systems, theymay be used also on other systems for which the application of cable isacceptable provided the above clearing requirements are met in completelyde-energizing the faulting section.

Where additional insulation thickness is desired, it shall be the same asfor the 133 percent insulation level.

133 Percent Level - This insulation level corresponds to that formerly designated forungrounded systems. Cables in this category may be applied in situations wherethe clearing time requirements of the 100 percent level category cannot be met,and yet there is adequate assurance that the faulted section will bede-energized in a time not exceeding 1 hour. Also they may be used whenadditional insulation strength over the 100 percent level category isdesirable.

Betty123 --- 2008-01-16 16:56:55

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133%指的是绝缘水平,应该对应于B类系统吧

zygforce --- 2008-03-03 15:55:30

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有技术要求,和产品检验规范不就知道了吗?

sevenllong --- 2008-03-08 08:14:43

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答案见GB50217标准3.3内容!!!!
超导 --- 2008-03-18 19:59:17

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给在家上传个UL标准,研究一下就明白了,我们曾做过133%,美国佬的,主要是电压等级不同.

stanly --- 2008-03-24 15:18:26

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大家的说法都很有道理,最主要的还是要看客户的使用电压和使用环境。
龙散人 --- 2008-04-05 19:28:39

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国外的系统跟我们不一样,电压等级要求也不一样,所以,他们是根据自己国家的电压等级来要求绝缘厚度的,不用想那么多,不会是为了增加预度的,我们的国标里,留得预度够大的了.

郑州的电缆 --- 2008-04-18 23:27:13

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好象美标中,有此规定吧?
hxjun --- 2008-05-10 16:56:18

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关键是不是全部的中压电缆都是133%,要是的话就是IEC标准规定的,否则是使用环境的特殊规定。
沧海一蛙 --- 2008-05-12 11:14:13

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我觉得还是系统耐压的问题,可能电压要高一些,相同的电压下,国外的绝缘厚度都要薄一些

--- 2008-05-21 14:51:22

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我认为跟接地系统有关

如果是电阻接地或直接接地用100%  如果是消弧圈接地用133%厚度

个人意见

郑州的电缆 --- 2008-06-10 13:56:01

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请见如下权威解释:

the cable standards refer to 100%, 133% and 173% insulation levels. the 100% insulation level is suitable for systems which provide immediate isolation when an earth fault occurs. the time limit is 1 minute. for longer period of up to 1 hour, the 133% issulation level is suitable. if a phase is anticipated to remain earthed indefinitely, or presumably for more than 1 hour, the 173% level applies.

可见,133%的绝缘水平,为故障时间为1分至1小时。超过1小时,或时间不确定,当采用173%的绝缘水平。

 

mmgg8800 --- 2008-06-14 16:45:54

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我是英文盲,看不懂英文的。谢谢有英文的给翻译一下可以不谢谢!!!!!!!!
qinys --- 2008-06-19 11:49:38

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        这个问题其实看是简单:是国外标准要求的,不过中压电缆的使用环境和高压、低压不同。至于绝缘皮厚要求133%这个数据是一个查考数值。这个是专家提出的数据我们暂时不能改,就用着好了,我个人意见

tw118 --- 2008-07-12 13:26:11

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没办法,谁让我们的国情不一样呀。
奔狼2008 --- 2008-09-20 15:15:39

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赞同观点
ldyylp --- 2009-03-09 09:13:23

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美国标准对3类绝缘水平的规定:

100%绝缘水平:故障切除时间不超过1min,用于直接接地或经小电阻接地系统中

133%绝缘水平:故障切除时间不超过1h,用于直消弧线圈或不接地系统中

173%绝缘水平:故障时间可以任意长,不作具体规定

根据美国标准和中国标准的规定,可以看出绝缘采用哪个绝缘水平是和系统的接地方式有关,发生故障时电缆本体承受的电压有关系。

 

hdpe001 --- 2009-03-09 23:11:04

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我们有个菲律宾客户专门订这样的线,但都是单芯的10KV和35KV

eastlooker --- 2011-01-12 16:19:59

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增加133%是按B类系统设计的,这种系统的变压器中性点是经过消弧线圈接地,具有一定的阻抗。在输出端一相接地短路时,变压器中性点向接地一相偏移,但偏移量不大。理论上偏移量介于A类系统(中性点直接接地)和C类系统(中性点不接地)之间,根据消弧线圈的阻抗情况,所以规定设计电压为原额定电压的1.33倍,也就是楼主所述的绝缘厚度要厚上133%。

frankerhu --- 2011-01-13 21:29:03

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,在标准没有认同时,客户的要求就是标准。生产客户满意的产品就可。
onewindy --- 2013-06-11 21:49:19

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学习了
czb597706 --- 2013-07-22 16:29:09

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yvhkdv --- 2019-08-02 10:59:18

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学习了
lxg --- 2019-12-11 11:04:18

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学习了,肯能是客户为了提高绝缘电器性能
772475238 --- 2020-04-19 11:03:22

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aliangh --- 2022-03-01 11:27:48

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删除错误讯息

aliangh --- 2022-03-01 13:39:16

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修正楼上的

应该要依据美国National Electrical Code的定义(NFPA 70我手上是2017)

100 Percent Insulation Level. Cables in this category shall be permitted to be applied where the system is provided with relay protection such that

ground faults will be cleared as rapidly as possible but, in any case, within 1 minute. While these cables are applicable to the great majority of cable

installations that are on grounded systems, they shall be permitted to be used also on other systems for which the application of cables is acceptable,

provided the above clearing requirements are met in completely de-energizing the faulted section.

2 133 Percent Insulation Level. This insulation level corresponds to that formerly designated for ungrounded systems. Cables in this category shall be

permitted to be applied in situations where the clearing time requirements of the 100 percent level category cannot be met and yet there is adequate

assurance that the faulted section will be de-energized in a time not exceeding 1 hour. Also, they shall be permitted to be used in 100 percent insulation

level applications where additional insulation is desirable.

3 173 Percent Insulation Level. Cables in this category shall be permitted to be applied under all of the following conditions:

(1) In industrial establishments where the conditions of maintenance and supervision ensure that only qualified persons service the installation

(2) Where the fault clearing time requirements of the 133 percent level category cannot be met

(3) Where an orderly shutdown is essential to protect equipment and personnel

(4) There is adequate assurance that the faulted section will be de-energized in an orderly shutdown

Also, cables with this insulation thickness shall be permitted to be used in 100 or 133 percent insulation level applications where additional insulation

strength is desirable.

13383733520 --- 2022-03-09 09:00:12

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一般中压电缆屏蔽层不接地或经消弧线圈接地,这也决定了电缆的绝缘厚度主要是以抗雷电冲击过电压来设计的。 另外如果客户的需要考虑到操作过电压和屏蔽层直接接地,就要考虑增加绝缘厚度了。 
ion1991 --- 2024-03-18 11:47:11

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